Here are some questions for you to consider in your response:
How do you feel about the use of this word in society today in 2011? Who can or cannot say the word? When, if ever, can it be said? Do you agree or disagree with any of the arguments presented on “The View?” How do you feel about the word being replaced to "slave" in some future editions of Huck Finn? Discuss!
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My own personal belief would be that "I" would never say this word ever to anybody even if I was just joking. To me it is a word that I choose not to say because I would not feel comfortable saying it to anyone. I also do not believe that I have enough information about what the word actually means to use it in a certain context. I also do not believe that I could tell somebody they can or cannot say the word. People have the choice to say it, but it is the consequences you have to deal with when you say this to a person. If this word offends black people then white people should not use it against black people especially in a derogatory sense. I would want the same respect back if there was a specific word that I did not like to be called. I think that the word can be compared in a way to somebody walking up to a less intelligent person and calling them retarded when that is offensive to them.
I don't fully understand how black people can say it to each other but not a white person to a black person. But, I think that Olivia made a very good point that black and white people do not live in the same world even though we may think so. Racisim still exists and many people are ingnorant that life is only beginning to become equal for black people for example Barack Obama becoming President. I personally do not see a problem with using the word in the book for my reading purposes because that was the intent that Twain had and this novel was set in a completely different time period and the word is not offending me. I also do not believe that we should change the word because then it changes the whole intent that Twain had. I could see that a black person would have the right to object to reading this book, but for me personally I am just reading it and understanding what is trying to be portrayed. If they feel like the book is offensive then they can choose not to read the book. Using the word "slave" instead is just as bad personally because then Twain is refering to all black people as slaves when really not all black peoples heritage existed as slaves.
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The use of the "N-word" has always brought on many arguments and questions. I, for one, have no problem with the word as I will explain further on in this post, but in usage to an online forum, I will chose to not state said word in respect to those who are not in favor of it. I am going to express two main concerns here, due to the fact that this post would become dramatically long and cause more of an issue than I plan should ever occur: 'Why the word should not have a negative effect on society' and 'the changing of the word to "slave."' The "N-word" has been around for centuries, mainly in reference to Africans who were sold into slavery in America and, which many people do not know, Africa. In history, the word has been intended to be used derogatively, but in one view, some could see it as a way of classification. For example, if Jake R. and I are in a room together, and the teacher calls on "Jake", what will be the response... "Which one?" from both of us. During slavery times, the "N-word" could have been used when somebody was mentioning the newcomer, without confusion to a man down the road. In modern society, the word is everywhere: music, schools, television, etc. It has practically become an everyday word. African Americans use it frequently and so do White people. African Americans say that they have the right to use said word, and white people should not due to the past history of its use.
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Three points can be made at this point: 1) It is just a word. Yes, it can be upsetting, but you (in instance of discussing with an African American) are much stronger than any word or thing a person, of any race, can say. 2) Technically, it is freedom of speech. Anyone is permitted to use said word, regardless of race. 3) African Americans have strived for years for equality, history has proved that. It was finally achieved. Everyone is equal, let us move on. When a White person says this word, African Americans become angered by its use and reference an ancestor's struggle during slavery, for example. Understandable, families went through traumatic times, but it is in the past. Now we all share the same values, now we are all equal. Let the bad things go and let us make good ones, together. Hopefully everyone is still on track here, this is a lengthy post I agree, but to get my point across it needed to be addressed with much detail. To discuss the word's replacement in "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn," I feel that this is unjust and wrong. Referring to my previous opinions, there should be no reason to banish the original text for future readers. This book was written for a main reason, whether Mark Twain realized that at that point in time or not. The use of the "N-word" in this book is a challenge to society: "Overcome any obstacles that life throws in your path."
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." This is a personal issue to deal with, but many can get past it if we all relax, unite, and move forward. Recalling the editorials that occurred with Emily Dickinson's writings, historians pushed to republish her work with the original text. Dickinson had a point for everything she did, why should society rob new readers of the chance to locate that connection she was attempting to make. So there is this post. Hopefully I have not upset anyone with this post or status of opinion, and if I have, I formally apologize for any mindset that would have caused you difficulties. I gladly welcome you to come to talk with me in person if you shall chose so to discuss this. I just wanted to answer this post with relative compliance to the qualifications and not cause any harm to others. I also have the feeling that this will engulf the entire page, so happy loading!
Like many of my fellow students, I would never use the “n-word” under any circumstances. I have never seen it as something that I would be remotely comfortable with using. The word also has a lot of meaning to it that is often misunderstood by both the public in general and students our age. Therefore, there is no valid reason to even add it to one’s vocabulary. Also, I feel that since the word’s meaning is so often misunderstood by much of the public, trying to assign a population that may or may not use the word is a feat not worth taking on. It was made apparent on “The View” that there is still a lot of unsettled feelings and issues that are immensely difficult to address. I believe that this difficulty is due to the fact that we are not as equal a nation as we feel we are. Many of us are and always have been against the idea of slavery and segregation, yet there is still that influence in our society today; whether we realize it or not. Trying to come to the conclusion that the word should not be used in today’s society because we are now “equal” is not a fair thing to say, yet. The use of the “n-word” is also a part of the African American culture. It was a derogatory word that was forced upon them, and they were able to work through that and turn it into something that is not as bad. Because of this, I think that it’s different when an educated African-American uses this word and an educated white person uses this word; simply because, it has a much different meaning to the two groups of people. However, I do not feel that its use should be continued by either group if we ever hope to move on from this particular subject of conflict. We need to learn how to work through these topics and resolve them as a society.
Mark Twain used this particular word in his novel for a reason. It was not to be offensive or to arouse any objections. His use of the word was appropriate for his time period and therefore should not be viewed as anything else. Granted, the public does not embrace the use of such a word in modern literature, but that was not the way it was back when this book was written. Also, replacing it with the word “slave” would completely change the meaning of how it is used. Because this word has such a misunderstood meaning, it cannot be easily replaced by a simpler word. In fact, I don’t believe that it can be at all; and therefore, should not be. Plus, who’s to say that if we change this frequently used word in such a famous American novel that we won’t end up changing more and more books. Sooner or later, we would try to change everything that seems offensive to any group of peoples, and none of our books would remain untouched. It would change and possibly ruin literature as we know it.
Jacob,
An incredibly well-thought out and explained post. I actually need to sit down and read it with more attention as I just glanced quickly at it and nodded at the way you fully elaborate on your insights. I need to go back and now read if there are any aspects I wish to agree with or challenge as a "devil's advocate" :)
In response to Jacob...
I am going to use the video we talked in class today of Maya Angelou discussing the reflection of the past. I am just saying that your comment somewhat contradicts her idea because she does say that we should move on from that awful time, but we really need to remember the history so that we do not repeat ourselves. I agree that you should not hold on to the past in this way but you do have to learn about the past and not just completely put it aside. Just a thought off of your idea...
My own personal opinion about the use of the “n-word” is that there is really no point in using it. Although I have nothing against the use of the word by other people, I try to refrain from its use myself. The reason that I choose not to use the word is simply because of my background. I am a 16-year old American Caucasian, and this word obviously will have different meaning to me than to an African American. So I choose not to use the word simply because I want to refrain from hurting any feelings or starting conflict with someone whom the word is offensive too. But the use of this word by an African American, I believe, is not an issue at all. The way I look at it is they treat the word like a high school student treats a bully. If you show the bully that your bothering him, he will stay persistent and continue to harass you. But if you take it and turn the other cheek, and have the ability to make fun of your self, it will cause the bully to feel like he is accomplishing nothing by making fun of you, and he will begin to stop. This relates to African Americans and their use of the “n-word” because them using it, over time, has slowly dissolved the harsh meaning of the word. And although to some African Americans, it can be found extremely offensive, others try to forget the bad times associated with the word by giving it a whole new meeting. I agree with many of the arguments discussed on “The View” especially Whoopi Goldberg’s argument that it is completely different for her to say it, than for Elizabeth Hasselback to say it, simply because of their race. Elizabeth does not have the right to use such a word because the word does not apply to her family and heritage like it does to African Americans. And finally, I am completely opposed to changing the word to “slave” in some future editions of Huck Finn. I am opposed to this because the use of the word in the novel gives a more realistic feel to how segregation was back in the time that this book was placed. By replacing it with “slave” it would lower the validity of the book and it would be untruthful as to what really went on during those times.
In response to Tricia...
I like your reasoning as to why you don't use it. Because there are very few people who truly know all the information and history associated with this word. And if you don't know what a word means, then don't use it. When you talk about how black people and white people do not live in the "same world" I agree for the most part, even though it is obviously not nearly as bad as before. However, I think that because they live in a different world then they should be able to say the "n-word" if they please. Well written response Tricia :)
I feel that the use of the n-word in our society has taken many variations over the years. I would never personally use the word, but that was just how I was raised. My family, ever since I was little, has prohibited the use of the n-word in our household and in my music. But as I have grown up the use of the word in our current society has taken a different meaning. The use of the word has managed to blend itself into one of the 21st century most popular genre’s of music, rap/hip-hop. And in all honesty when the word is used in that context in our present society it is not thought of as being offensive because of the people that are using it, which are mostly African Americans. I do no approve the use of the word at all but I believe that society has accepted the use of the words in some situations or if a certain type of person says it like an African American. There were two main points made on “The View” that I agreed with. The first one was said by the first African American lady to speak, she stated that the word has been used in her family and at her household ever since she was little and now she has no problem using the word. I can compare this to how I was raised, my parents have always not approved of the word and now I have grown up and neither do I. But this black lady whose parents and family did approve of it she feels that she can and should use it. The use of the n-word comes down to how a person was raised in my opinion. The second statement I agreed with was Woopie's statement about how African American people now use it in reversve of what it was once meant. I think this has been done to try to eliminate the words old meaning and almost put it in the face of the people who still use the word in it's old meaning in present day. Now, the use of the n-word in Huck Finn takes on a complete and different meaning when it is used and I would find it ridiculous if it were to be replaced with the word slave. The word “nigger” in Huck Finn takes on a historical meaning and is used to reflect back onto how the word was once used in our society. It would be absurd to replace it with slave.
In response to Tricia...
I agree with the point you make about the changing of the n-word to slave in Huck Finn. Slave or the n-word are going to both be offensive to a black person who is reading this book. If a person cannot handle the context of the book they are better off not reading it. But for a class like this the use of the word is a good historical comparison. But I'm also glad that you brought up Barack Obama, because through out all the elections and with him being elected it made it very clear for me that racism is still very much alive in the United States, which is sad.
I have never used and don't ever plan on using this word. It makes me feel extremely uncomfortable and I just hate the way it sounds. The whole controversy over who can and cannot use is such a touchy subject. It must be treated with extreme delicacy because there are so many different opinions and sides to the story. I feel as though white people shouldn't use it, just out of respect. If African Americans want to say it, I think that is their own decision. Although they have every right to do so, I don't especially like the way it is repeated over and over again in rap songs. I'm not going to sit here and say that African American rappers can't use the word, but it makes me feel uncomfortable to hear it said so often and easily. I can't really think of any circumstance where it would be respectful or classy for a white person to say the word, even if to another white person. The arguments on "The View" were a little difficult to comprehend (due to them talking over each other), but some interesting points were definitely made. I found it interesting how the one women said that African Americans have "stolen" the word from white people and turned it into a term of endearment. I don't really have a comment on that; at least they have attempted to turn it into something positive.
I feel as though the word is put into Huck Finn for the exact purpose of making the reader feel uncomfortable. The novel would not be the same without it! Although I hate reading it and hearing it in my mind, it gives the book a more realistic feel and that discomfort should not be taken away.
Once again, I will stress the delicacy needed when discussing this subject. Please think before you speak!
In response to Vicki...
I like the way you stressed the fact that there is a great confusion when dealing with this word. I feel as though it is probably one of the most controversial words with the most meanings! I agree with you, it should not be a part of our vocabulary due to its controversial nature. I believe that if we as a generation taught our children that the word is a touchy subject (and the history behind it) and should not be used, it could slowly work itself out of everyone's vocabulary. As you said, however "equal" our country may be, there are some subjects we cannot tackle in a way that will please everyone. Good thoughts!!
In response to Alec...
Alec, I'll keep this short.
In your post, you said that you refrain from using the word because you don't have enough of a "background" on it and that an African American will have a different reaction to it. How so? No African American alive today experienced slavery. There background on the subject is the same as yours. Nobody can relate to what actual slaves felt, no matter how hard they try. I do, however, respect your decision to not use it.
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I feel that changing all of Twain’s original text of the word “nigger” to “slave” is completely ridiculous and should be prohibited. If this was done, people would be tampering with a quintessential piece of American Literature. The use of the word “nigger” provides classes that read the book with invaluable and irreplaceable discussion topics. Having logical and intellectual debates over certain topics (like what we are doing now) better those participating. It allows people to be exposed to things they may not necessarily agree with, and subsequently participation and thinking rates shoot skyward.
I think my post is too long, so I'm breaking it up. If it actually is just my computer acting up and it shows up (multiple times), sorry.
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I believe is that the use of the word “nigger” should be allowed for use in today’s society. I believe this for multiple reasons. The first of these many is because “nigger” is a word just like any other. I do understand that when American slavery was practiced (over 100 years ago) that it was mainly used as derogatory and offensive term used towards African Americans. However, times have changed. Nowadays, African Americans have the SAME EXACT opportunities as white folks as do Asians, Mexicans, etc. What frustrates me more than anything is the fact that African Americans feel that they have the right to say “their” word, but white people don’t. How can a group of people just decide that a word is exclusive to one group of people? It makes no sense.
Like a lot of people have already stated, I would in no circumstances, ever say this word. Personally, if there's even an inkling of a possibility that someone may be offended by the word, I do not think it should be said. With the Civil Rights Movement not far behind us, racism to this day is not dead and, consequently, a word that evokes such strong feelings in those whom it is directed towards should be used with caution. I am, however, torn between the arguments presented on "The View." On one hand, I believe that if we, as a unified people, are trying to progress towards equality and compassion towards each other, the word should not be said by any race of people in a hateful way towards each other. On the other hand, I can understand how African-Americans justify using it by claiming that it is a tool against, or way to mock, the hurtful way in which the word is sometimes used. I don't think anyone is in a position to understand this unless they themselves or someone they are close to is African-American. Having said this, I definitely don't believe that the word should be replaced with "slave" in some future editions of Huck Finn. Erasing the fact that the word existed and was a part of our culture at one time does not seem like the right thing to do. We must reflect upon and accept our past in order to progress into our future. It's almost similar to the fact that in our very Declaration of Independence, we refer to the Indians as "savages." This is something that most people are unaware of, but that should be recognized. Like the "N-word," we should not ignore its existence. We must accept both the good and bad aspects of our history if we want to better our futures.
I think the use of this word in modern society is rather complex. For one, regardless of the word being discussed, one’s TONE is what truly determines its connotation/effects on listeners. In the hallways at school, for instance, ‘swear words’ (including the N-word) can be heard in almost any conversation. Since they are typically being used in a nonchalant, sometimes even joke manner, negative effects are non-apparent. At the same time there are many instances in which swear words are in fact used with intent to harm. This definitely applies to the N-word, although such an instance is incredibly rare at ACHS. I personally feel that swearing (use of the N-word) with intent of harming another individual is absolutely wrong, and shouldn’t be done regardless of the situation. I also feel that if one swears without this intent, then no problem or concern should exist. So, as long as the N-word is not being used with intent to offend/hurt, it’s ok. Regarding the use of the N-word in Huck Finn…I do not think that it should be replaced with ‘slave’. Firstly, the word’s presence in the book helps portray the atmosphere that dominated Twain’s time period, specifically concerning blacks vs. whites. By eliminating the N-word from the text, readers will miss out on a unique (although perhaps non-likeable) aspect of culture during that time. Also, I would love to know what motive people have who think that the N-word should be eliminated from the text. What will that gain? It’s not like kids won’t be exposed to poor language if this one book is ‘cleaned up’. Swearing will always exist and editing one novel does nothing more than ruin what its author created. Lastly, why should modern readers, who live in a society that is accepting towards blacks and whites etc. take offense to text that was written so long ago?? Mark Twain did nothing more than portray the culture in which he lived! We have no right to mess with his work, and I strongly hope that the N-word remains a part of the novel.
In response to Abi,
I completely agree with your distasteful reaction to the word being used in rap songs. The word itself just seems to have a bad connotation, regardless of the history behind it. There is definitely a lot of confusion/controversy over the word and therefore it probably shouldn't be used lightly. I also agree with your comment that the word was put into the novel to make people feel uncomfortable. I think that the liberal use of the word in the novel serves as a testament to how people used to think and talk, and this should not be taken away!
Whether someone chooses to, or not to, use the n-word depends on a variety of factors. It will vary based on peoples’ morals, religious views, type of household they grew up in, location, etc. Personally, I deem the n-word inappropriate in all contexts and choose to refrain from using it. In our modern society the word is used in many different ways, and because of this it has lost its historical meaning. When used during the slave time period, it was acceptable, but now it can be added to our ever growing list of inappropriate swear words. I don’t think that there is any acceptable context in which to use this word. Obviously some African Americans are offended by this word, and for that reason we should not use it, out of respect for them. There are certain things that are not allowed to be said on television or radio (and should not be said in everyday conversation either) because they offend people, and n-word works the same way.
I give complete support to the woman on The View who couldn’t understand why African Americans can say the n-word but Caucasians cannot. The one African American lady said that we were being racist and derogatory towards them by using it, but by them telling us that we can’t use it, they are being racist. If they want equality, we have to respect them and they have to respect us, but she was being hypocritical. By only allowing a certain group of people to use it they are only causing more separation of races.
I see no problem with the n-word being replaced. While some will say that we are ruining the original text and that we have no right to do it, it is our fault that the word has to be changed. We weren’t mature enough to use the word properly, thus it escaladed into a huge controversy. If we would have only used it responsibly like it was used historically, then this problem wouldn’t even exist. But since we made that mistake we must fix it, by replacing the word.
In response to Vicki...
I understand where you are coming from, but I do not see a problem with changing the n-word to slave. If you don't think people should say it in society today, than why can people read it? You said "there is no valid reason to even add it to one’s vocabulary", by allowing students to read it, they are adding the word to their vocabulary. By changing the word, we would be sending a clear message that that word is not appropriate to use, but by leaving it in there, we are encouraging its use.
I, personally, would not and do not use this word, simply because it is against my morals. As I was raised, I was taught not to say to anyone anything that they might take offense to or have hurt feelings for. Now, I don't object to its use by others and wouldn't take offense if someone talking to me used it, but I would feel awkward if that person and I were in the presence of an African-American, because that person might be offended by its use. I feel that if it has the potential to offend someone, it shouldn't be said around that person.
On the subject of who can and cannot say the word, I really can't say "Oh, you here can say this word, but you there aren't allowed." Words are unlike material things in the sense that you can't place a ban on their use - someone is always going to use a certain word even if someone else may think it is wrong to. It simply wouldn't be possible to say that African-Americans can use it, but whites can't. It would accomplish nothing. I do believe, however, that it is wrong for whites to use the word against African-Americans. Because of the history of the word and the connotation implied when a white person uses it to describe an African-American, the African-American is likely to be offended as he/she is reminded of their days of forced bondage in our country at the hands of their white masters. For that reason, I will say that the word should not be used by whites around African-Americans, but I won't say that it can't. On the other hand, if African-Americans choose to use the word in their conversations amongst themselves, that is acceptable because it is their right to want to use that word, as long as it is not offending anyone.
As far as the word's use in Huck Finn and its possible replacement with the word "slave," I believe this is completely unacceptable. As I mentioned in my post on the last entry about stereotypes, people in the current society who are quick to shun or ban this book, or any book from another time period, need to realize what society was like in the time period in which the book was written. Obviously, when Twain wrote Huck Finn, use of the word in everyday language was acceptable, given that slavery was still going on and the word was simply a way of denoting an African-American. Therefore, it was acceptable for Twain to use the word in his writing, without fear of offending anyone. Taking away the word from the book would be wrong in several ways. First of all, replacing the word would be ruining the true language of a classic novel and taking away from its value. Secondly, taking away the word would be a direct insult to Twain, because Twain had the right to use the word in the book. We can't allow today's changing morals and ever-increasing politically correct society to influence us to change things from the past. What happened happened, and we should respect its historical meaning and value.
In response to Theo K...
I totally agree with all of the points you make. I especially like how you mentioned our school and how often times "swear words" like the n-word are used jokingly, so that we can't really tell if there was true intent behind them or not. And I, too, am wondering what motives the people that would raise arguments against the word's use in this book have. Like it or not, these words are a part of our society, and there's nothing we can do to change that - so why should we take it out on a classic piece of literature that was written in a completely different time period with completely different societal standards? The answer is, we shouldn't. As older, more mature young adults reading this book, we realize and understand the implications of its usage in today's society and don't need to be lectured on why it's wrong and have its removal ruin our appreciation for a piece of historical literature.
I feel that this word is a word that is demeaning, hurtful, and discriminatory, and therefore should not be acceptable for use in today's society. The only thing that the use of the n-word can bring is a boost in hatred and possible violence between different racial groups, which is the last thing this country currently needs. Even though many people believe that the n-word is a word that "belongs" to African-Americans and they should be able to use it as they want, they still do not acknowledge that fact that it only exacerbates other problems that people complain about, such as racism. If people truly want racism to be reduced or possibly eliminated, then the use of the n-word should be completely eliminated from everyday use in speech and entertainment.
In the midst of all of the various obnoxious comments, yelling, and crying, there was a point made on The View that I actually agree with. The point brought up was that it is highly unfair of African-Americans to use the n-word, then say that nobody else is allowed to use it. By doing this, they are promoting segregation and unfair treatment, the very things they are trying to destroy.
Even though I believe that the n-word should not be used in today's world, I feel that it is very important to keep it in works that help to remind us of how the blacks were treated before our time. Books like The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn are excellent ways for younger people to experience the harsh life of the slaves, and taking away accounts such as this could cause us to become ignorant and repeat our mistakes rather than move forward in our history.
In response to Theo....
I disagree with your thought that the n-word us ok to use in certain inflections. It doesn't matter how you say something to someone, even if you think it is ok, they could still find it rude and offensive.
In response to Adrian...
I do agree somewhat with your comment that you do not agree that black people should not be allowed to use the word if whtie people can't. But, I think that somebody had stated this during a discussion that black people have taken this word and used it in their own way as to not make it deragatory towards them. I am unsure how this can be a compromise because I really do not understand the whole meaning of the word. I do not believe that I can take a stab at black people and say that they may not use the word when really I have never heard their whole side of the story. Just an idea...
In response to Tricia's post on February 28, 2011 at 1:12 PM...
I agree with the misunderstanding of how African Americans can use the word while White people cannot. I believe it is more rude to tell someone that they cannot say the word than the word actually being used. I also fully agree that Twain did not intend on referring to all African Americans as "slaves."
In reference to your comment on March 1, 2011 at 10:16 AM...
I agree that history should not be forgotten. If you did not already know I am amazed by history, and this remembrance is something to never forget. All I feel is that nobody should dwell on the past, just use it towards improving the future.
In response to Nick...
I really enjoyed reading your post. You made some really valid points! I think that you "hit the nail on the head" when you mentioned that the use of the word is in part due to how we are raised. When you think about it, that's absolutely true. People that are raised to think of the word as offensive do usually grow up to think just that. Others that grow up with the word are indeed often more comfortable with using it. I also agree with your comment that shangign the word to slave in Huck Finn wouldn't work. It's a part of the book and its history. So changing it would be like trying to change what the book is saying.
In response to Emily...
I am just trying to understand exactly what you are saying. You say that "Historically" white people used the word responsibly but I can't believe that that is completely true. People used that badly back then and not responsibly. They meant it deragatorily to the black people back in the 1860ish but now we rarily use it except in literature like Huck Finn. Please explain a little more what you meant by all of that! =D
In today's dialect it is not uncommon for swearwords and derogatory comments to out number articles. We have become so accustomed to their use in everyday speech that we forget their original intentions and intended emotional impact. This renaissance could be the best thing to happen to our language since books. It is a tearing down of the negative impact of specific words and a nullification of speech, for if anything is used too often its value inherently depreciates. Why would we wish for the fear of such words to be perpetuated?
Now that these "swearwords" have been neutered and now act as everyday references there is no need for stipulations on their use. Must I be from the South to say, "yall," or Irish to utilize the reference "Danny Boy"?
I feel as if the usage of the N-word in most educational and good intentioned literature is appropriate and is only used to reflect the dialects of the time. It is also worth mentioning that Mark Twain was not a well-known bigot, which leads to the assumption that he did not mean to use of the N-word in a derogatory sense. For the reason that it holds little to no malicious intentions, I believe that its removal from future volumes of this book would detract from the learning experience in diluting the authenticity of the dialogue.
In response to Nick... .. . .
As with your childhood, I too was raised while being expected to avoid use/exposure of the N-word (or any 'bad' words for that matter). I think that it's interesting that our parents' expectations influenced us so much. I wonder if we would have different views today regarding the N-word had our parents not drilled 'no swearing!' since such a young age. You speak the truth in that today's society treats swearing in general in a unique way. I wouldn't say that it's 'accepted' although it certainly seems to have integrated itself into everyone's lives a decent amount. Who knows what teens were like years ago....
In response to Emily…
You make an excellent point. However, just because the word is in a book that students may have to read for school, that does not mean that they will change how they feel about the use of the word. Like others have said, the use of this word is based mainly on our morals that we often get from our families and how we were raised. Also, because the word does have such a diverse and misunderstood meaning, it’s not really fair to say that changing it to “slave” would improve the story. It would change the meaning of the context in which it is used.
Because I'm not African American, or close to anyone that is, I don't feel entirely qualified to decide whether the word is or isn't appropriate to use, but I choose personally not to use it just because it might offend someone. Maybe I'm taking the matter too lightly, but I think if African Americans don't want whites to use it, then we just shouldn't. It's not like it's a critical part of our vocabulary; we can all live without saying it. I'm sure African Americans feel much more strongly about it than I do, which is perfectly understandable. If some blacks claim that the "n-word" offends them, then none of us should use it. Like a lot of "common courtesy" instances in our society, I think it's appropriate to only go as far as the least comfortable person's comfort level. If every black person is offended, or just one black person is, then the "n-word" shouldn't be used. On the other hand, if African Americans feel like they have the right to use the word in reference to each other, I honestly don't mine or care. Whether it's actually fair or not, none of us can really say, and if they use it towards each other, it doesn't affect me at all. Yes, I hear the word all the time in rap songs, and it could be argued that the word being said so loosely and easily could have a negative impact on listeners, but one could argue that point about a number of lyrical subjects - sex, drugs, degradation of women, etc. Regarding "The View," as annoying as it was, I can't really say that one woman was more justified than the other. Like I said earlier, I just don't think anyone can be right about this, since everyone has a different opinion, and opinions are just that - beliefs and thoughts as opposed to facts. Yes, there are several very solid facts about the harsh history of African Americans and the hardships they went through, but we cannot create facts about how they felt about it, and the roof of the "N-word" controversy goes straight to human feeling, not fact. In conclusion, I don't think there is a right or wrong answer, since you cannot create an argument solely on opinion. Regardless of that, though, the word still offends people, so as I explained before, I'd rather just not use it at all.
About the word being replaced with “slave” in Huck Finn, I think it’s kind of stupid, to put it bluntly. Many African American protests I’ve heard about the use of the “N-word” have been based on the idea that the word reminds them of their hardships and troubles. Obviously, those hardships and troubles deal with the slavery they went through. That being said, how would the word “slave” not remind them of…slavery? It’s a variation of the word itself! It just doesn’t make any sense to me. I understand that the “N-word” is a much more harsh and insulting word, but if the blacks’ complaint is that it brings back memories of their past, then I don’t really understand how the word slave wouldn’t have the exact same effect.
In response to Adrian...
Even though in my comment, I said that I don't really care if blacks use it amongst themselves, you brought up a really good point that I agree with, even if that may seem hypocritical. I think the reason that I don't mind that African Americans use it with each other deals with the fact that I just don't like conflict. Your point, however, about blacks stating that they can use the "n-word" but whites cannot, is completely true. Like you said, it is in fact segregation, since it separates the races into two groups - those who can say the "n-word" and those who can't. You make a good point in saying that they are essentially fighting segregration by perpetuating it.
I would never consider using this word in public conversation as it is a controversial word. The word is over-used in pop culture today but many do not find it offensive when it is being used in music and other types of media. I believe that no one has the right to use this word, even if the person who is using it is an African American. I'm not a biggot and I don't want to be called one by saying this but they shouldn't be able to use it just because it pertains to them. That's ridiculous; it's like calling yourself a fat hog or a dirty whore (pardon my French). Why would anyone want to degrade themselves by calling each other a name that is meant to be demeaning and hurtful? I don't believe that this word should ever be used in conversation because almost everyone takes it the wrong way, especially African Americans. The only comment I have on the clip of "The View" was that the black ladies were wrong. They do not have the right to say that word to others of their race because as I said before, its basically calling someone something dirty and demeaning. I don't care that they think they can say it because they are black, that's just dumb. No one has the right to use this word and I wish it was outlawed so that this stupid controversy would end. And if editor's want to replace the word with slave in future copies of Huck Finn, they have no right to rewrite Twain's classic. The book had a different meaning then than it does now and these people who think the word is being misused need to get their heads out of their butts. It's not their book and editor's can't just rewrite anything that they deem wrong in today's society. The book wasn't written today, it was written in a different time. Does this mean we should rewrite every book in history that contains a word that has a meaning that no longer applies the same way? No, people need to realize that they do not have this right and that no one but Twain could rewrite or change anything about the book.
I, being a Caucasian teenage girl, would never attempt to say the “n-word.” The word today, however, has taken on a new meaning but continues to offend most African Americans when said by someone of a different ethnicity. If an African American is friends with someone of a different race it might be acceptable but it depends on how the African American feels. Overall, it is a touchy subject that depends on the person.
Even though most African Americans today did not suffer like their ancestors I understand why they feel it is acceptable for someone of their race to call each other that. Like “The View” hosts, I agree that African Americans allow each other to say it because they use it to lighten the mood and act like they aren’t bothered. The best way to try and stop someone from harassing you or calling you names is to ignore them or throw it back in their faces, like some African Americans do today by using the word.
As human beings we should respect the wishes of our peers, neighbors, leaders, and friends and do as they wish. If someone is offended by the word, people should have enough to respect to not use the word that offends them.
I don’t see the problem with not allowing newly written to use the “n-word” but I don’t think that books that have already been released like Huck Finn should be allowed to change. The “n-word” adds a certain something to the novel. It shows people an insight into our country’s past and sees what African Americans went through. I, however, still think “slave” sounds bad.
In response to Adrian...
This will be my only comment because I am NOT about to start a fight over this word. I agree with everything you said, about the African Americans saying they can use the word but whites cannot. It is the quintessential example of hipocrisy in society today and I wish everyone could see this. One race cannot own a word because words are like public parks, anyone can use their facilities for anything they desire. Words are used by everyone and by saying a race owns a word, it is taking away another race's right to freedom of speech, which is a constitutional right in this country. That's all I have to say on the subject.
In response to Tricia...
I am slightly confused when you say that African Americans and whites do not live in the same world. I understand that African Americans are sometimes slighted or people are racist but all races are racist. Most races tend to go through some form of segregation but here in America it happens to be that segregation towards African Americans is more prevalent. In different parts of the world different races suffer and that has shown throughout history.
First, I have to say that everyone has handled this frank discussion in a mature and intelligent manner, and kudos to you all for that.
I was really impressed with the level of thought that went into the use/non-use of this word.
Two particular things struck me:
1. Theo's comment about the INTENT of a word (this word or any word). I think there is a lot of validity to that. It's the tone, the inflection, the vitriol that someone gives a word that really takes its use to the next level.
2. In terms of taking the word out of the text in future editions, here is my take on it--DON'T MESS WITH A MASTERPIECE! It's like putting hot neon pink highlights in the Mona Lisa's hair to "update" her look for 2011! NOOOOO! You don't defile a classic like that---you read it, you learn from it, you understand WHY the word was used as it was, and you make...(drumroll)....CONNECTIONS. Connect the use of the word with now. Why don't we use the word now? Why did they use it so often then, and how has it evolved? THAT is a fundamental part of the reading of this book.
Great discussion!
In response to Joe...
I completely understand your response but I don’t agree with one part. You do not like that African Americans get upset when people of another ethnicity use the “N-word.” Nowhere do African Americans forbid anyone from saying the “N-word.” However, people make jokes about themselves whether it is their race, weight, looks, or intelligence but if someone else is to mock them, they would most likely grow angry and upset. People don’t enjoy being made fun of. And yes, slavery happened a while ago but the anger of the situation lives on. People hold grudges. So I urge you to look at a similar situation about something that happened a long time ago but people are still angered about it today. Who you react the same way as you do with the “N-word?”
In response to Emily...
I recognize the effect of one's surroundings on a person's outlook on and reaction the use of term's such as the N-word. Most people see refraining from swearwords as a very "Christian" and moral thing to do and habit to have. Now let's say for example that a certain group of around 100,000 families decides to raise a generation of children, and during their childhood they teach them that any time someone says, "thank you," they are actually deeply insulting their family's lifestyle and culture. Would we as a collective counterculture then feel obligated to refrain from the use of the phrase "thank you"? This may seem a ridiculous example, but it operates on the same principle.
In my opinion, the "N-word" is always going to be a powerful word with an awful connotation, no matter how hard people try to change the meaning. (Such as the two colored ladies on The View that use it for a term of endearment with their families?) I am obviously not colored, so it's really not my place to tell those people that they cannot say that word, most simply because we whites will NEVER understand how it feels to be called that, used in either a good or bad way. BUT, (looking through my half-opened white eyes) I do not see any reason that the N-word should be used. It may bring entertainment to some, but the bottom line is that it's hurtful to a lot of people. Even if the slavery no longer exists in the United States, racism still does. I'd think that the word would not be wanted in a black household, but if they enjoy calling eachother that word in the privacy of their homes...WELL..whatever floats your boat! The use of the word nowadays is an issue when it is used publicly, because one never knows who will be offended. However, the use of the word in Huck Finn is a crucial part to the overall importance of the story. Even if "times are changing" and people feel the need to replace this word with "slave," they need to remember that they're not changing history by doing so. The use of the word was a harsh reality of that time period, so what is anybody gaining by changing it to "slave"? We can not just forget about our history and try to sugar-coat the history of slaves for upcoming generations. The result may be a completely wrong idea of slavery planted into kid's brains.
The horrible abuse that those people went through should never be forgotten.
As many of you have probably already noticed, many of the things that come out of my mouth may not be the most socially acceptable or respectful, yet my use of the word “nigger” is usually relatively rare, and completely absent if my words ever have a genuine aspect of belittlement or harassment. No matter how unrestrained I am in my speech content and character, I always have been hesitant to use the word “nigger” freely, especially around black-bros. The point of restriction for me, is the fact that the use of this word is early COMPLETELY unacceptable in today’s society, and while most of my language is rather abrasive, it is usually never directly/seriously abusive. The one rare instance in which I do ever say the word “nigger” is in a jokingly under-toned and un-emphasized way, usually to emphasize humor in whatever I’m saying. I’ll probably get 34254532 replies saying “ELLI0T WHY WULD U USE DAT WORD JOKINGLY?’’...oh well, I occasionally use the word in my many jaunts of humor, and if you haven’t learned by now to take nearly nothing I say jokingly to heart, then this paragraph isn’t for you. This depicts my belief that racial slurs can be used by anyone, if used EXTREMELY carefully, and only in the perfect situation of humor.
This is a very hard subject to put a solid finger of definition on. I do agree with the notion that it is much more “appropriate” for blacks to use this word. Just like blacks, whites can be portrayed in many offensive racial slurs (cracker not really being one of them), and it seems acceptable for them/us to use it within their own heritage. As the hot young-ish blonde chick on “The View” stated, there are words (polack) that are only “acceptably” used by people of her decent. My grandmother has strong French-Canadian ties and she uses the derogatory word “frog” with her other French-Canadian friends, just as blacks use the word “nigger”amidst conversation with their friends. Still, it is unforgivable in her and her friend’s eyes for someone of other descent to use the word “frog” in such a manner, just as blacks become angered when non-blacks use the word “nigger”. So, to each heritage their own.
One thing I think everyone can agree on, is that using the word “nigger” in a negative, serious, degrading, and un-jokingly way is flat-out wrong, no matter if the person saying it is black, white, yellow, or blue.
In response to Theo...
I LOVE your point on how the INFLECTION of the word is what really makes or breaks the probability of it being offensive someone. That was the point that I heavily lamented upon in my post...it's all about the tone and context of the word. While saying the word "nigger" will still probably make many people pause for a moment if casually said in a light-hearted manner during the flow of speech, we must realize that this is an unfortunate product of our modern society that we will most likely be living with for a long time.
In Response to Joe...
I understand where you are coming from, and your points make complete sense...if you are clumping the whole African American race into Whoopi Goldberg and whoever the other colored lady is from The View. It seems to me that you are basically basing your opinions on the idea that all African Americans think that they can say the word but we can't. I'm sure a lot of blacks feel that the word isn't acceptable at all. Even if slavery was over 100 years ago in the United States, it doesn't really matter because the word is just as hurtful now as it was then, probably even more hurtful because using the word is no longer the social norm as it was back in Huck Finn times! Honestly the only way to look at this is you're not black, so you don't know how it feels. Even if slavery doesn't exist there is still a huge amount of racism that does! To me, your opinion is kind of like when your sibling punches you and then you punch them right back. Instead of abiding by "two wrongs don't make a right," you're saying that they can call us anything and we can call them anything. Why not take the nice approach and not call names at all? :(
I try not to say the word because I don’t want to offend people. When the word takes on the meaning it does in Huck Finn, I don’t mind saying it because it is simply how they talked back then. However, I’ve been around a person that uses this word provocatively and somewhat often. This never annoyed me because the person gave, in my view, a valid justification for using the word. It frustrates me when people have no personal connection or exposure to black people yet they use the word anyway. Today, I discovered that the word has been greatly softened by media—specifically in music, and more specifically rap. I realize that most rappers are black themselves, but their audiences are not all black. These rappers do a good job of keeping this word a controversial one. Racial slurs will always be used. Racism is not a black or white problem; it is a human problem. I don’t understand why the n-word receives the bulk of controversy when there are dozens of other words that demean many other cultures. I don’t think anyone should say any racial slur if it puts down a people, so no, I don’t think the n-word should be used. I don’t agree with the “slave” being the substitute for “n****r”, because it shifts the meaning ever-so-slightly, but ever-so-importantly in the novel. Those people used word to describe their slaves, so it is important to gain a better understanding.
In response to Elliot…
I didn’t acknowledge the possibility of using it in a joking context. It’s an interesting position you have. We agree that when used seriously and without justification it is wrong. I’m just confused as to where in your humor that word would fit. I assume that there really is no sensible place for the word, and it’s simply meant to be a funny replacement of a possible many other words that would fit. If this is the case, that’s a bit weird, but hey, laughter is the best medicine, right?
In response to Casey…
Blacks do not “forbid” it, but only because they can’t. It is my fundamental right to say what I want, so long as it does not entice violence towards another. (Freedom of speech for the win!) However, let me change my wording for the sake of a good time. Blacks are “strongly opposed” to other ethnicities using the word nigger. Why does the anger of the situation live on? Why do blacks hold grudges against us? I never was a slave owner, so do not treat me like one. Also, do not forget that it was (mostly) white Americans who fought and died in the Civil War to abolish slavery. This general feeling of animosity blacks feel toward white Americans is unwarranted.
Great continued discussion
In response to Tricia and Vicki...
Ok I can understand the confusion; I did not word that in the best way. But what I meant was that back then it was socially acceptable to use that word, but now our society leans more towards not using the n-word. So "responsibly" may not have been the best word choice. I hope that clears things up!
In response to Emily...
Thank you for the clerification. It makes the concept of what you were trying to say more understandable.
Wait we are aloud to continue discussing?
In response to Joe...
I said I do not choose to use the word because of my background and that an African American can because they do have that background. And even though they did not experience it in their lives, their families have still been effected by it and they could be offended by the use of the word.
In response to Joe...
Just because people have Freedom of Speech doesn’t mean what people say is acceptable. For example, the Westboro Baptist Church protests at funerals. I know you are aware of the awful things they do. With that said, Westboro won their case against Phelps but it was made quite of obviously that their actions are rude and frowned upon. Someone shouldn’t say the “N-word” because it is the right thing to do. Also, it would make sense for more White Americans to fight in the Civil War because there were two sides, the Union and the Confederation. Why would African Americans fight for the Confederation? Also, there were more whites in the United States during the time period of the Civil War so naturally there would be more whites fighting. So, yes, more whites fought in the Civil War.
In response to Tricia....
I completely understand where you are coming from when you say that we haven't heard the African-Americans side of the story but I still get frustrated when people say that one group of people is allowed to do something but another group isn't. I feel that while it is important to remember the suffering of people in our past, it is also very important to not repeat actions that helped in perpetuating that suffering
Casey.. The LAW is what makes it acceptable. Even though those protests may seem immoral and ethically wrong to SOME, it is that churches belief that what they are doing is right. Take it from their perspective, they are protesting for something they belief in. Maybe they are right and that is what God wants. You can argue all you want, but nobody knows. In the grand scheme of things, only one religious belief is "correct", and until you die you will never know which one it is! If you want to limit my right to Freedom of Speech, why not just limit my right to Freedom of Religion as well???
In response to Paige…
You say my points only make sense if I clump the whole African American view into that which is Whoopi Goldbergs. I made that generalization because not only is that what the question asked, but also that Whoopi’s views reflect that of many African Americans today. Generally speaking, most blacks do feel that whites and other races should not be able to say the word nigger. I don’t feel that there is much validity in your statement that the word is more hurtful today because Whoopi, along with countless other African Americans, say that “we changed the word so that it no longer hurts us”.
You say I “don’t know how it feels”… NEITHER do ANY blacks today. No blacks are or will be slaves. Just because their great-grandparents were disadvantaged by slavery doesn’t mean that they are. That feeling that blacks are born disadvantaged is all too evident in poor-black neighbors in major cities. Choosing not take advantage of resources offered to you to better yourself is your own fault. I have no sympathy.
Yes, racism exists. However, whites are not the main perpetrator anymore. Some blacks, just as some whites, are racist. I refuse to take your approach because I believe that the contempt that African Americans feel toward the word nigger is unjustified and unwarranted.
In Response to Joe...
UMMMMMM yes they do know how it feels? You aren't even making any sense. We're not only talking about slavery. The N-word wasn't only hurtful when slavery existed. Yes that hurtful term came about because of the discrimination against the blacks by the whites when slavery existed, but how can you say no blacks know how it feels to be hurt by the word?? In Huck Finn Jim CONSTANTLY refers to himself and the rest of his race as the "N-word." The word was completely normal then, and the blacks KNEW that they weren't legally or socially equal to the whites, no matter how much they wanted to be. Therefore, the word was expected, (even though it wasn't right.) How can it not be hurtful now when slavery doesn't exist and blacks ARE equal to whites? That is where people cross the line, because it sincerely hurts people because the N-word is no longer socially acceptable. Black people have ALL of the same rights as us now, so there's just no reason to use it for cruelty.
P.S. I know you're never going to change your mind, so you don't have to comment back if you don't have the energy.
In response to Casey...
GREAT job in bringing up the Westboro Baptist Church ruling! A wonderful connection to this particular issue.
In response to Theo…
I thought your idea that appropriateness for using the n-word depends on the tone in which it is used, was really good. While I don’t think it should be used in any context, I think that what you said is probably the best argument you can give to support the use of the n-word. The problem with using that word only escaladed because people were using it in the wrong context, with the wrong tone of voice.
(Sorry I thought this went through last week, but I just now realized that it didn't post)
For me this word has an extreme negative connotation. For those of you who use the comparative of “cracker” and other racial terms in the argument that the words are not hurtful have no idea that this power that the n-word wields. When people us it lightly in conversation lightly as a joke or casual insult is profoundly hurtful. I would encourage you to you use it respectfully, and even then only when absolutely necessary. As far as use in literature it is completely acceptable for the word to be use in context, were it is necessary historical preservation. Thus far I think Twain has used in that matter. But, it easy to understand why some might be offended by the use of the word, even in this context. I think with this type of complex issue it is important to keep an open mind and understand that one persons feelings about the word are not the same as the others. It is difficult to understand why it is okay for blacks to use the word, but it is sort of like when groups of friends can call each other the b-word, but when some else calls them that word the get offended.
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